[Apurva Ashok] 14:30:40
I just have the captions going and I will hit record because I don't know if, anything I can make it.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:30:46
I think.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:30:48
I know Dmitri was trying to stay up, but I did tell him to go to sleep.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:30:52
Because it's getting late where he is in Greece. So we could always catch him up if need be.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:30:59
Okay.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:31:00
Should not be as late in grace like Nish maybe.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:31:05
Yeah, but he's up at 4 30 in the morning.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:31:05
Hi Nish, but we've been waiting up early for things. Yeah.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:31:07
Just kidding. Just kidding.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:31:08
Yeah.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:31:11
Yeah, he has to he has to be up super duper early for the digs. For a

[Apurva Ashok] 14:31:18
Speaking of.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:31:18
Oh, but there he is!

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:31:19
There you go.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:31:21
Well, I don't.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:31:22
Oh my heaven. Okay.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:31:23
Hey, good looking.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:31:24
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:31:26
Thank you for staying.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:31:26
You're awake! You're awake!

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:31:26
Go in a room. I am barely. I've been trying to stay out.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:31:31
Oh my gosh.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:31:32
Do your best but go to bed when you need to. Another summary after.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:31:35
Yeah, I would want to see everyone.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:31:38
Okay.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:31:38
I mean, hopefully not. While you're still on the computer, that is not a good look.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:31:46
You know.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:31:47
I'm in my pajamas though, I will. But that's okay.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:31:49
Well. I

[Marilyn Billings] 14:31:50
Okay. Okay.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:31:54
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:31:54
That's, do you know if, Elena is joining us? Okay. No worries.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:31:57
I don't know, hopefully. Let me text her.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:32:02
I mean, we are okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:32:02
If not, you know, we, we're still a full. Yes. And I'll just.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:32:07
Say thank you again and do you mean you're not the only one who's a little loopy.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:32:13
I just got back from India over the weekend, so I'm also going through my jet lag, but grateful to be back here and grateful to be back.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:32:20
With all of this abundance of rain on this land. It's a It's a gorgeous cool day here in Toronto which is lovely and as always I want to thank the indigenous caretakers of this land, the Mississauga's of the first credit, the Anishinabek, the

[Marilyn Billings] 14:32:23
Cool.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:32:35
Chippewa that Hudan Oceani and the Wendat peoples. I'm grateful to be able to come back here and, work from here and do all of the good work that we do.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:32:45
And also to see such a full room. As always I'm gonna encourage you if you can to drop in your own land acknowledgement in the chat.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:32:49
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:33:00
And I will soon pass it over to you all for updates, but

[Apurva Ashok] 14:33:07
I just will drop in a link. To, the forum post where I have put in the timeline that we shared over email just so you all have reference to it in case you have questions as you are talking about your updates.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:33:23
Madeleine and I are here to answer them. Hi, Barbara.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:33:28
And I might apologize for Madeleine who I think had a bit of a computer issue over the weekend.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:33:35
So if you haven't heard back from Madeleine. Know that she is working on it and there were issues with her laptop so she is doing her best to get connected with everyone again this week.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:33:47
So before we start our updates,

[Apurva Ashok] 14:33:50
Yes.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:33:52
I think Vanessa. And I think Demetrius sent an email about Time table and stipend.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:34:00
So and II just wanna know that anything change. I know I've been shooting for July fifteenth.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:34:08
July fifteenth is the final day to submit drops. Vanessa, Dmitri, I saw your email this morning.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:34:15
I've been catching up on emails as I long back in today. So I try to pass on the info I had from Millie, but I might pause.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:34:26
In case Madeline or Barbara had any other updates for you. And I'll make sure Dmitri, you can go first with your updates so that you can do your bit.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:34:32
Oh, where along with that, the stipend. According to, Millie, the stipend comes, first of all, we have to turn in our book and then it has to be acknowledged.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:34:47
By PST as acceptable. And then it has to be ready to go. To be used in the fall so that's when the stipend comes in around early fall.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:35:01
Is that is that a good interpretation Marilyn? Okay. So. Okay, just wanna make sure nothing's changed and that's where we moving towards.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:35:12
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:35:18
Well, and you're welcome to unmute if you had anything more to add. Yeah.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:35:22
Oh no, I just nodded my head. I was agreeing with her summary.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:35:28
And I will know, you know, Madeleine, I both took all of the feedback that you had shared in the requests you had made back to.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:35:37
Millie so she has heard you all and I think this is unfortunately the quickest and soonest that she can do given.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:35:44
Given the circumstances that she's dealing with, but she has indicated if anybody has any questions at all about it to get in touch with her directly.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:35:55
So I've made sure that you all have her email address as well. You will see that in the email thread that Vanessa and Dimitri have started.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:36:03
Well, I think what was. You know, I don't know whether it was, this is still relevant, but.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:36:10
Well, Vanessa pointed out she had talked to cohort one and they hadn't.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:36:16
Receive their stipend chat. So I think that was a reason why

[Barbara A. (she/hers)] 14:36:23
That's mostly because most of them haven't finished there. Whoops. So.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:36:27
Yeah, that was, yep, I was just gonna say. We have been on round one, try and get them to even get their books done.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:36:36
So you guys are. In awesome shape. You're doing really well. Sticking to your timeline.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:36:43
And, so I, we all really appreciate that as well you as, we get further down the road with implementing in the following.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:36:53
Yeah, I think I would say please don't, pay too much attention to what the round one people have said because of that.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:37:04
They're, Almost a year off. 6 months anyway.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:37:12
Dimitri, do you wanna be another year working on this?

[Marilyn Billings] 14:37:14
No! You'll see Marilyn go into. I'm sorry, I shut you off.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:37:22
Because Marilyn heard one thing and I don't know about the rest of all but I heard a totally different thing.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:37:30
I was like. Oh.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:37:31
Look, I will say with OEM, you can keep, you can keep working on them following this particular project and this grant.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:37:41
So that option is always gonna be open to you. I think the big question is when would you like to receive that stipend?

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:37:46
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:37:46
When will

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:37:46
I mean, I'm just I mean I'm just laughing because I literally was like, oh, oh, so that was enough.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:37:55
Right.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:37:56
Well, I will just say, yeah, not knowing all of the other confidence of this crown. It is.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:38:04
A 3 year grand and you folks are sort of the second year projects and there's another round that just is kicking off soon.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:38:13
I'm sure that you folks, delaying by 6 months of a year would definitely.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:38:21
Cause strain is that what you're implying, okay, I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:38:23
The folks.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:38:26
Yeah, but I

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:38:29
Oh no, we're turning in. We're we have met our 6 chapters. Oh Okay.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:38:33
Yeah, we're done. I wanna say something before I pass out. Because, you know, so Vanessa and I have been meeting almost every day.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:38:36
Well. Yep. Yeah.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:38:39
Yes, please.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:38:46
That's not a weekend and I've been I've been here away and I feel like the person even though I'm surrounded by people, the person who I've talked to the most is Vanessa, including my mother, father, brothers, everyone.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:38:55
Okay.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:39:00
Thank God we love each other. Thank God. Yeah.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:39:00
So. Yeah, and it's we have been working nonstop and so We got those first chapters, the first 6 that we said.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:39:11
I mean, and so. It was just the other day. Maybe there was a little bit more we wanted to do with one of them, but we said this is gotta be how it's gonna be.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:39:20
And of course there's a lot more that we want to do with all of the rest of them.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:39:24
So at this point we just wanna know what we should do with them where we can drop them. Where we can send them and what's gonna go on in the future because there are a bunch of things that we would like to continue doing obviously.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:39:36
So what is. Yeah. Right.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:39:38
And there's things that we just we cannot do like we wanna embed the map. Idea at the beginning of every chapter.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:39:47
Yeah.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:39:47
And we're gonna need assistance with that. And there's like the 5 I know that Min is gonna help us eventually with the 5 HTTP whatever that thing is.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:39:57
To do those reading checks as something other than just questions. Oh, there. You know, I for some reason it literally comes out H 5 TP something like I can't even I don't know if it's because we have a PST and a TP whatever and a 5 HP and a yeah I don't

[Marilyn Billings] 14:40:00
Yep.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:40:03
Yeah. Well.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:40:04
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:40:14
There's a lot.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:40:18
know.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:40:18
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:40:19
Firstly, congratulations on getting those 6 done. That is a tremendous feat and also thank you both for meeting so regularly and being consistent to the project work.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:40:30
To answer your question about what next, how do you submit these chapters? I'm sharing my screen.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:40:37
To that big timeline post that I've said Madeleine and I drafted up. And I'll zoom in so you folks don't have to go so close to your screens.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:40:47
You'll see further down in the post that is a section called submission guidelines. So this is the piece that you will all be paying attention to.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:40:56
You will upload your drafts. Into the shared Google Drive folder. So you'll see.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:41:02
Round 2. I believe. This is it here.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:41:07
Oh.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:41:09
Madeleine, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Might also be under here.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:41:14
I'll make sure there's only one space where you can look at it. So Madeline or Barbara, you can.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:41:19
Archive the folder that you don't need to be worried about. But upload your drops in there.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:41:26
And then, notify the PST via email. So it's a Rotel PSD at gmail.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:41:32
Dot com.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:41:34
And what the PSD is going to do. Is just track. Track submissions. So you'll see here whether it be a reviewer information has been submitted, whether chapter drafts have been submitted.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:41:51
So you can keep track of your work. You can keep an eye out for your fellow cohort members is work if folks have submitted all of their chapters in by the fifteenth or before the fifteenth.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:42:03
Once that's done the PST will email you and confirm receipt. So July sixteenth, you should have something in your inbox from the PSD saying, hey.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:42:15
This has been received. We have what we need. All of the files are accessible by us. And those emails again will come from Rotel PSD at gmail.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:42:25
Dot com. Once those have been received. What the PSD is going to do is to start reviewing and leaving comments between July sixteenth and 30 first.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:42:36
So they will actually coordinate with you to have a one on one meeting to discuss feedback. I believe this is planned to take place during July sixteenth and 31.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:42:46
I know Fennes and Dimitri you would expressed some timing challenges. Around, either corresponding by email or meeting at that time.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:42:54
So you can Connect with the PSD about this.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:43:01
And.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:43:05
You folks will have some time between July sixteenth and August ninth to make those changes. I believe in Google Docs itself.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:43:13
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:43:13
So I'm gonna pause there for now because we can sort of go into the other bits of the timeline but Does that have some initial questions?

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:43:19
I just Yeah, I just had a question. Is so Vanessa and Demetrius. You all have finished your 6 chapters so are you finished?

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:43:32
Have you met a Savon? Do you do you really believe? That we will no longer be looking.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:43:38
I told you!

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:43:41
No, basically I am sending the PST the email see seeing Dmitri now so he knows that it is.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:43:51
Yeah.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:43:51
Go with that and then. I will probably, once I get back from dealing with sick parents and sick grandmother.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:43:52
Thank you.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:44:03
I will probably, I have like 2 days before the fifteenth of July that I have a little bit of wiggle time.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:44:12
That's unless. This new job. Thing.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:44:19
Unless something changes, but right now I have about 2 days that I'm gonna play around with some things probably chapters 7 through 12 just to get them Look like, the other chapters.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:44:28
Yeah, well.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:44:29
Yeah.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:44:33
But yeah, we're basically We're basically saying it's done, it's good enough for now, even though there are a bazillion things that we still want to do.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:44:46
That.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:44:47
So, if you need help saying it's good enough for now, you let me know, girl.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:44:50
Oh yeah, we've gone very good at that.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:44:52
Oh.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:44:53
That's excellent. And, I wanted to note, you know, I wrote down all of the goals that I heard from all of you when we last met and I think you know your goal was to have those 6 done by June thirtieth which sounds like you know your goal was to have those 6 done by June

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:44:57
Good.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:45:15
thirtieth which is to have those 6 done by June thirtieth which sounds like you are well on track to do I believe you shared you know time permitting you might go in Vanessa and add some of those quick reading checks to chapter 7 to 12 it also coordinating with Gina your grad student just to make sure that

[Apurva Ashok] 14:45:27
those 7 to 12 chapters even though they're sort of coming in. As is from the book you're adapting more or less match the structure of the first 6 have been what heavily revised.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:45:37
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:45:39
So I think that is that is plenty of work. Leading up to July fifteenth.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:45:46
Yeah, we've gotten to about 9. Right chapter 9 so and I'll have a couple a couple a little bit of time so if Vanessa I'll email you at some point during this week and maybe some point we can sneak in a meeting together, but I'm also gonna work on putting things in the instructors

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:45:48
Yes.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:46:04
Yes, double.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:46:04
manual. When you know, now my classes are starting tomorrow so I'm not gonna be able to meet at our regular slot.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:46:13
But we figure whatever we do now will be, you know, kind of bonus. And so.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:46:14
And.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:46:19
So by how many how many pages per chapter? What else?

[Apurva Ashok] 14:46:23
Yvonne, who's looking if you don't mind, I feel Liana has hand.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:46:24
25? I don't know.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:46:26
Oh, okay, sorry.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:46:27
I'll just let her jump in and then we'll. Okay, okay.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:46:28
Now. Absolutely.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:46:31
Okay, sorry.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:46:35
Yeah, hi everyone. So I mean, I just want to, so wanted to kind of like, you know, I don't know where different people I hear from, but, that they are maybe at different stages.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:46:48
I just wanted to acknowledge that. You know, there are probably differences between adapting and writing a book for one, right?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:46:58
So Max and I are writing a book. We have the math portion of the book kind of like done, but there's like the embedding the CRP.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:47:12
Also wanted to acknowledge that we have had a difficult time getting I mean, delay kind of acknowledging the delay kind of delay that in getting either like somebody to really work with.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:47:24
You know, get like the, getting either like somebody to really work with, you know, get like the library support and essentially it's been a lot of or getting.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:47:29
Access of trying to like work with a pre-tax so all of those things have started late so I think we would appreciate we're not gonna be able to meet the deadlines.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:47:42
Well, we have 3. Of the chapters I mean that so the mass part although it could be right revised more about the math part is is done but now we're in bad embedding the CRP and only about half of it is done.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:48:01
So acknowledging, you know, a lot of the learning and a lot of the things that we've had to do.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:48:11
We would, appreciate a, you know, a more extended deadline. I just wanted to say that both Max and I, we are both traveling.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:48:17
Between July, 15 and August first. Is the first time that I go back to Romania since I left in 1984 I will not be looking at any emails so I just and I think Max is going to as everyone.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:48:34
I may be looking at email, but I don't want to do any work. I'm visiting my remaining relatives.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:48:39
So. Yeah. Okay.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:48:43
I vote for not looking at emails at all, Iiana. I vote for take Males away, like completely like pretending they don't exist.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:48:47
And.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:48:47
Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:48:50
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:48:53
That's what I vote for.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:48:54
That's right. Aliana, we will be very close because I'm in and we get a lot of Romanian tourists here.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:48:58
Sure.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:49:01
In fact, the hotel is full of a bunch of families visiting from Romania because the hotel is full of a bunch of families visiting from Romania because you know the beaches are Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:49:09
Yeah, Go ahead. Thank you for that update. I'll touch base about timelines. Max, if you wanted to maybe let us know now or drop into the chat what your travel dates are that I think will help Madeleine and the PST also coordinate on those next steps and.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:49:13
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:49:29
We'll finish the loop on that, but I wanna make sure. Vanessa and Dmitri, you can finish up your update before maybe Dimitri's to log off for the night and then we can come back to.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:49:33
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:49:43
Time line and then Yvonne, anything on your end. So. Dimitri, is that anything else?

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:49:48
Meet tree. Did you wanna say anything else, honey?

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:49:52
No, I do I do wish that we had you know more time to do the what we've done because we've really extensively, altered those chapters and it's something that I really would love to do for the rest of it, especially since my My favourite chapter, the

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:49:53
I just had a question for them.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:49:55
Yes.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:50:12
one on food, I didn't do with as much as we had wanted to. So I assume that an S and I will keep working on this.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:50:19
And I, you know, I look forward to that and, you know, if anything comes up during the meeting.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:50:24
I know that a porto will update us and and send it along, but Yeah, no, I just wanted to say thank you for, you know, all of the support and for everything.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:50:35
You know, Vanessa and I, I'm gonna miss our meetings, I have to say, because it's been a regular thing.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:50:41
I mean, sometimes. 4 times a week there, you know, and, and so Yeah, I just look forward to doing some more maybe later in July and certainly in August too.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:50:50
Well, I would say, A good question to bring up with the PSD when you have that one on one meeting with them, July sixteenth.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:50:51
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:51:02
The August is to find out exactly when you can begin doing the rest of the revisions still say is 7 to 12 you just wanna make sure that you're not getting in the way of their formatting work in August.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:51:13
So maybe they're giving you a date as off sometime in September where you can start making some of those changes to the other chapters.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:51:21
And I know Yvonne had a question. I think it was how many words are you, how long are your chapters, but Yvonne, please go ahead.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:51:26
Yeah, yeah, I just wanna on average how many pages per chapter of Vanessa.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:51:30
Would you spend 25?

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:51:31
So yeah, so. I mean, I would say probably between like, 18 and the gender chapters like 30, 35 pages.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:51:48
So about 25 it's about 25. No, I mean the gender one is 40, but on average I would say 25 maybe.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:51:49
I mean, it's low. No, it that one? No.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:51:53
It's so, oh. Yeah.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:51:58
And does that include test? Test questions, essays.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:51:59
Yeah.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:52:01
As So it includes reflection questions and it includes like the what we call sort of quick reading checks, which we're hoping will be some will be interactive, some will be reflection based, some will be, you know, maybe multiple choice or different activities for students.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:52:04
No.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:52:08
Okay.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:52:24
But remember, you know, as Eliana noted, like we're adapting you and Elianna and Max are writing.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:52:32
So, you know, imagine like it has taken us. So long to go through something that's already written and add and delete.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:52:44
You know, and so, and this using the fact that we also use the textbook last semester, right?

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:52:52
So like there's all of these extra opportunities that we had. I mean, one of the biggest things we've said is God bless the 3 of y'all, cause there's no way like him and I are like, if we, we'd have half a chapter like.

[Vanessa Martínez] 14:53:08
Shoot, if we had to write it from I'm like.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:53:10
A lot of work.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:53:12
It's a turn out of work. Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:53:12
Oh, oh. Also, I mean, I think it's also a depends on the audience, right?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:53:20
So I mean, mask books are, depends on the audience, right? So, I mean, mask books are traditional if it's like a lot of mouths on the audience, right?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:53:26
So, I mean, mask books are traditional if it's like a lot of mouths or whatever.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:53:27
I mean, obviously you're building the context around it, but it's gonna be shorter.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:53:30
Okay.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:53:30
I would expect that it would be shorter. I mean, because you, you know, your, but a formulas communicated it's like shorter if you started to like like really like how you read it's all that transfer they have to understand the variables but it's it's it's you

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:53:33
Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:53:49
know it differs by discipline.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:53:53
Definitely does.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:53:53
Thank you.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:53:55
Thank you, Anim. I just looked at the dates for our next meeting, which is July 20 fourth.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:54:01
Same time, 2 30 to 4 pm eastern. So I'm hoping that, you know, by that date.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:54:06
At least we'll be able to go into that shared Google Drive and sort of See what you all have landed up with.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:54:14
I'm sure that our final meeting in August, we can actually look at the books in your publishing.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:54:21
Tools so whether it's press books or pre-text we can just have a little bit of a celebration and how far we've come moment.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:54:30
But for now, I might ask Madeleine actually, do you also have enough information about Dmitri and Vanessa and where they are, in order for that July fifteenth.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:54:43
Deadline, is there anything else you need before we move on to Iliana and Max?

[Marilyn Billings] 14:54:51
I think we're in reasonably good shape. And I know that a couple of the people on the team have already looked at their content and love it.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:54:53
Okay.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:55:00
Things have really, progressed quickly. When they started. Seeing, Rick or men in the document.

[Yvonne Anthony] 14:55:06
Oh.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:55:13
They were actually going in and making some changes. As as our work was happening, so I think they're in good shape.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:55:17
I would like to see some of chapters, you know, 7 through 12, but. Understanding what's happening.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:55:24
So.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:55:25
Look it through the first part of it.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:55:29
Wonderful. And if you didn't want the 7 to 12 in that folder, just let them know in, the chat.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:55:30
So good.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:55:39
So it's all there for you and, and you and the PSTN. So it's all there for you and, and you and the PST and the shared Google Drive.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:55:42
Trying to use this meeting both as a space to get updates from all of you, but also make sure that Madeleine has a space to get updates from all of you, but also make sure that Madeleine has what she needs to kind of speed through that next phase of work.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:55:44
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:55:53
So this is my sort of. Checking off of things and again,ats that to you both. It's I'm excited to dig into the folders and start seeing things in there.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:56:07
Oh, great.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:56:08
Thank you. Thank you everybody. I am gonna go cause I'm sort of fighting staying away because we start very early here before the sun gets really hot, right?

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:56:16
So I will see everybody next month. Good luck to everyone. Which great to see you all.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:56:18
Thank you.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:56:22
Nice with you.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:56:22
And to keep an eye out for my somebody. Hi. All right, Max. So you're also traveling to Zerbaijan.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:56:24
Okay.

[Demetrios Brellas] 14:56:25
Bye.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:56:27
Bye.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:56:34
It sounds like what are your travel dates?

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:56:35
Okay, on 24 I will be on an airplane. So it's I'm living twenty-third night and I will be back on August 20 third.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:56:37
Okay. Let's go.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:56:46
Okay.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:56:48
But I will I will have access to all the emails and it will work there. So it's not like.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:56:55
Okay.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:56:55
That's it.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:56:56
Cutting the things like

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:56:59
No, but you're going you go there regularly and I haven't been back in 40. Yep.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:57:03
No, no, it's like, what I'm saying is just, just me, like it's just.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:57:03
Oh. Yeah, no, this is helpful. And Liliana, someone who also hasn't.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:57:09
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:57:12
Been home maybe not as long but I hadn't been home since 2020 was really wonderful to sort of just be present with the people there.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:57:21
And I hope you get that John's,

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:57:23
Thank you. I really appreciate it. We tried to like set up some meetings and we have a whole trajectory is gonna be pretty emotional, I expect.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:57:33
Just enjoy the moment. And I'm just pulling up my screen. This is ultimately for me to get a little bit of a reminder of where we left off.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:57:35
Thank you.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:57:43
I think the both of you were perhaps going to get a meeting on with the PSD to just talk about best ways to scale this Mac given all of the challenges that you both had faced, over the course of the past.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:57:58
Few months you'd also hope to get those peer reviewer names in. And then of course both working on the project but also taking space just for yourselves as individuals.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:58:10
So do you wanna walk me through these and then if there's any additional updates you have to share?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:58:15
Well, we haven't met with the PST. We have, at least one person who's willing for probably 2 who are willing to like do service peer reviewers I don't know Max we

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:58:32
We kind of had to scale down a little bit, but we have a pretty good. Idea of like how we're gonna how we scale down how we're gonna scale down or how we are scaling down.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:58:43
Gotcha.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:58:45
So we've done that for about 3 of the chapters. The third one is almost done.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:58:53
I can show you what do we have now in terms of like the material, but it's like, Technically, I've already uploaded today uploaded the draft.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:58:54
Okay.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:59:05
One and 2.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:59:06
With the first first chapter the PDF it's on the website it's on the link that shared with us.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:59:12
The folder. Yeah.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:59:14
So it's first draft. Of the first with first chapter with the CRP material already in it.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:59:21
And hopefully I mean, why, because today's, I mean, I really hope that by 15, I will be able to add whatever material we have.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:59:32
Like at this point we have 3 chapters, CRP material ready. And I hope that by the time By 15, so we'll get the other 3 done and.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:59:43
I will be able to add all of those things to the. To be book.

[Apurva Ashok] 14:59:49
Okay.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:59:49
The Yeah, so it's like it's gonna be I think it's gonna be like The really early draft.

[Marilyn Billings] 14:59:58
Yes.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 14:59:58
Yeah. Yeah. They need to re-read.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 14:59:58
Because when we get all the things done, we'll need carefully read everything. Yep, reread the chapter and reformat things because I'm.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:00:05
Yeah.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:00:08
Like in with in terms of pretext I'm kind of doing things and learning at the same time.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:00:16
It's like a lot of search and it's like different kind of stuff. So it's.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:00:19
It looks like the web version different from the PDF version and like I didn't know about that it's like formatting is different so it needs to be somehow adjusted in some way that it looks same kind of way or at least

[Marilyn Billings] 15:00:20
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:00:30
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:00:35
I wouldn't worry too much about Max getting it to look exactly the same because different formats are going to look ever so slightly different if you look at the PDF on laptop versus your mobile phone.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:00:44
Yeah.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:00:47
Correct.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:00:48
Oh, you printed out. But maybe, a clarification. So it sounds like you both are targeting to have.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:00:56
6 chapters. At least drafted with the CRP material that you are working on by July fifteenth.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:01:07
Hopefully.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:01:07
I did hear. Okay. I did hear Aliana you had the request around more time and extending that deadline.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:01:16
A question then for Madeleine. Madeline, given that Max is doing so much of the formatting work in pretext.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:01:26
It sounds like he's taking on that load himself instead of the PSD doing it.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:01:31
Given that would you be able to to extend that July fifteenth. Date by a couple of weeks or I'm not sure how it would work.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:01:41
Just I'm trying to think about The

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:01:42
No, that's a good that's a good question. I mean, cause I think we probably probably can, but it's like I want to live my free.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:01:50
Oh.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:01:52
Every breathing moment to like just doing this that I have between now and the time that I leave so that's the other the other piece.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:01:55
True.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:01:59
I'll note that that's what you know for Vanessa and Demetri sort of came down to they're gonna work with that June 30 deadline just because they had other things going on in July.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:02:11
My question is

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:02:11
Well, I also had some, so just to add, I also had some health issues. So, I don't wanna just put everything out on the table, but, I had a really rough 2 weeks.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:02:15
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:02:23
I hope you're feeling better. I hope you did get that rest that we spoke about last time.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:02:26
Thank you. Yep. Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:02:29
But Mandelin question mainly to you because I know the plan for the PSD in July and August is not only to edit and provide feedback but also do some of the the formatting once those

[Marilyn Billings] 15:02:40
Yeah, yep.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:02:43
Yep, because our final products for the PST are the press box format, right? And so.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:02:51
We all have Rick and men looking at. You know, Rick does. One I'm gonna call content editing, copy editing kinds of expertise areas men can, work along with him, incorporating interactive elements that you wanna see, cause I know you wanna see a lot of

[Marilyn Billings] 15:03:12
those. And then, The other person will work on, you know, getting something up in press books to represent your project.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:03:21
So we'll have to talk about, what that's gonna look like.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:03:25
So is that any, do you foresee any additional room being available for Eliana and Matt? So at this point is the recommendation that they work towards getting those 6 or as much of those 6 as they can by July fifteenth.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:03:26
So.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:03:41
Yeah, as much as I can, right. And then, you know, we'll let's, be fluid.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:03:47
Okay.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:03:48
And be as flexible as we can. We know that you wanna be teaching with this in the fall.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:03:51
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:03:56
And.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:03:57
Yeah, go ahead.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:04:00
And then just looking at the timelines I would say. Just based on what I'm hearing maybe Maxwelliana you can target July fifteenth.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:04:09
Again, do your best but also keep in mind sort of How much strain this might be adding. So if you're only able to get the 4 done, you get 4 and that's what you're submitting.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:04:19
Max, it sounds like you will be able to at least connect with the PST once during that July sixteenth to thirty-first.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:04:28
Time frame or while you're in Azerbaijan so Iliana I think you can disconnect fully, but maybe Max can attend that one.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:04:36
Yeah, and after August first is fine.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:04:37
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:04:39
And then you can take over after first as well. But Max, that could be a good time when you meet with the PST to just see whether they're in a position to accept any more chapters if you have them ready or if they have.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:05:00
Any pieces that they need to coordinate with you on about the formatting. So are there any standard, you know, front matter or backmatter sections?

[Apurva Ashok] 15:05:08
I imagine we'll get to add to pre-text. So it might be that some of your time in August.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:05:14
Is spent either doing that work or making sure they have access so they can add. That information to the pretext book themselves.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:05:22
So what I'm just thinking is like, I wanna get things ready and then get in touch with them.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:05:27
It's like it's. I kind of I don't want to kind of get in touch with them.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:05:33
It's like it's my personal opinion is like I don't want to get in touch with them when this material isn't very very draft.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:05:39
Yeah. Yeah.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:05:39
Level so like because like I want to get focused on this stuff, get it done and then now focusing on like Muslim formatting how it's supposed to look for, press and all of these things like so in that case I can got just get in touch with them focus with them on specific things that needs to be changed

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:06:03
and then walk through and make those changes. So. I think it's, yeah, it's like.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:06:09
Yeah, I will be able to do that in ways. But I, first of all, I need to get things done.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:06:13
Yeah, get the tops to whatever.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:06:13
I mean, I need to get things done. I mean, we need to get things done. Yeah.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:06:14
No. No, you're right, Max. Really early drafts isn't gonna be super helpful, right?

[Marilyn Billings] 15:06:24
So I appreciate what you're saying.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:06:26
And also know that there will be some. Some revisions that will come following the feedback from PST and no doubt going to be revisions that you both will want to make after you teach with the material in the classroom as you're seeing how students respond.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:06:30
Yeah. Right.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:06:40
Yeah, and I'll just add that those faculty who were finished and have been teaching those in, round one who did finish their projects and a timely way and have been teaching with them have been.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:06:54
Wanting to do revisions that are working on some of that over this particular summer. So you find that to be the case too as you teach with the materials, but you would know that from teaching anyway.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:07:06
And when I say you had a hand up so please jump in.

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:07:11
So. I'm just wondering as a

[Marilyn Billings] 15:07:12
Okay.

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:07:18
As a way for Eliana, Max and Evan to. Reduce their stress. I'm wondering if there's any.

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:07:31
Either any already built OER content that could be added to your all you know the stuff you're building.

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:07:42
Or if you have. Colleagues who you know have. Material in draft form or something that could contribute to your OER.

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:07:57
Text in some way. I'm just I'm trying to think of ways to, you know, have you feel like Yes, this is totally like I can put this stuff together and have something, you know.

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:08:15
Done at that I'm happy with like, but maybe you need a little bit of extra help.

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:08:23
So I'm just wondering if there's some way. To make that. Happen, right?

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:08:29
Like. You know, I mean, I could imagine. It's a little different with stats and developmental math, but I'm just wondering if there's content or people that you know that would be able to do a piece of it.

[Vanessa Martínez] 15:08:47
I don't know that might have an interest. So just throwing that out there.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:08:55
Thanks, Vanessa. I'm seeing Elianna's, comment in the chat.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:09:00
She says it might be a little difficult to bring someone in so late in the game. And I think my I agree to some to some extent.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:09:09
With what both of you are saying, you know, collaboration always makes these OER projects so much richer who makes the materials.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:09:17
At the at the end, the, deliverables so much more holistic. It also eases the burden in the process as we've seen with so many of you.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:09:28
I do think as we've discussed in TSP for, you know, the past year.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:09:33
To do collaboration well takes time. Takes effort. And.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:09:41
Just needs a little bit more. Kevin thought so I don't know if at this point it's Perhaps easier for at least in Vienna and Max.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:09:48
And Yvonne, I'll let you all decide for yourselves. Stick with your original plans right now.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:09:55
And I know you all have been in touch with various other people in your classrooms that in your departments as you've been prepping and drafting and writing.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:10:06
Hmm.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:10:06
And I also know that whatever you are working on right now, I think both of you are sort of 3 chapters in I know Yvonne just finished.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:10:14
The third and is working on her fourth. And it sounds like Vienna you and Max have also done 3 with the CRP.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:10:22
I'm sure those are. Excellent so far. And Vanessa, yes, I appreciate.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:10:26
I appreciate the suggestion. I think just looking at Dates and timelines that might be a little tricky at this point.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:10:32
Yes.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:10:33
Not to mention of course the that big issue of stipends and making sure that additional contributors are collaborators are compensated for their contributions to the project.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:10:44
But responses from either of you 3 since that was a suggestion for you all.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:10:46
Oh.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:10:51
Go ahead.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:10:53
Oh yeah, so yeah, I appreciate that. So in the, just like you said, that provides like collaboration makes the things.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:11:02
I mean, I can send it to like, you know, we can send it to like Vanessa and Yvonne, but like they already have stuff to work on.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:11:10
Trying to really, just thinking, right, to bring somebody who's already trained on CRP.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:11:16
And knows the design. I think right now it's just really too late, but I think that the people who are gonna be reviewing the book might give us some good feedback.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:11:27
Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:11:27
I did. I did reach out and this is not with the intention, you know, like kinda like to ask for some suggestions as we were trying to find resources.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:11:38
I found out that one of my students, just so you know and and mine and Max's students, has a, PhD in anthropology he is Well, he's a Latino man.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:11:55
He's a has a PhD in anthropology and he was using this developmental mouse class to really because he wants to look at more data driven kind of like anthropology questions and things like that so He is, you know, said that if he find some resources, I mean.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:12:15
he's, well, he's gonna send them our way. So anyway, so we're trying to use that as their expertise that way.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:12:21
So, anyway, so. One question I had of how much are the reviewers paid?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:12:29
Is it 2 50?

[Apurva Ashok] 15:12:30
Finally, I'm gonna defer to you. Okay, both Barbara and Madeleine are nodding.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:12:34
Yes, 2 50 US.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:12:36
Okay, 2 50. So the expectation is the numbers out of our work is about

[Barbara A. (she/hers)] 15:12:47
We have to, the sheets that I've had to process for some of the faculty, they want an hourly rate so we come up with 5 h.

[Barbara A. (she/hers)] 15:12:57
Like $50 an hour right

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:12:59
And is there a better way to like, so right now we have 2, 2, 3 possible reviewers is part of some recommendations as to you know the expectations like so for example like should we have them like divide their attention on different sections and for more in-depth rather than both try to like scam the

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:13:24
Cheerio.

[Barbara A. (she/hers)] 15:13:24
That's a Maryland answer.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:13:28
I'm sorry. I was getting that job proper on something. Could you say that again?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:13:33
So I'm thinking, right? So 2 or I mean, I'm hoping for 3 we are hoping for to review or study.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:13:41
Let's say we only get 2 because everybody's busy and So, and again, with number of pages with content, do we want them to look at the problems?

[Marilyn Billings] 15:13:43
Yes.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:13:51
Like, so it would it be better to say, hey, you know, you know, whatever Ali and Batty, you are both like doing the this book like should they be looking at the entire content and both like do what they counted the 5 h or should we divide the material into 2 pieces?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:14:11
So for they more in jobs even though it's slightly maybe very type of responses, but there's like more in depth focus.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:14:15
Take care.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:14:19
So how do you like this answer? It can be either or. We have, people who have sections of text where it requires a certain type of expertise to review it.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:14:33
And another section of text is enough different that having another person review it is better. I do like to have somebody who can do the overall thing because we look at content in terms of the voice.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:14:49
And that kind of thing, but Rick will help with that too. So. I think having the Well, if I were to.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:14:51
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:14:54
Yeah.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:14:59
Choose. I might go for having a person look at it in more detail. Rather than you know, just a real peripheral thing.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:15:04
Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:15:09
Yeah, that was my inclination because it's not, you know, maybe it's not a lot of hours.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:15:17
So I say, so that would be my inclination to have them more like in depth to be able to like concentrate on.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:15:22
Those okay

[Marilyn Billings] 15:15:23
Yeah, so if you could, if you could find a third person who could just do a quick overview of the whole thing.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:15:29
Okay.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:15:30
That would be really totally awesome, right? But like I say, Rick will be also doing that.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:15:33
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:15:36
And I was just looking back at the timeline, you know, September second, October fifteenth, I think is what, the hotel team has set aside.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:15:45
For peer review. So as Rick and the rest of the PST is going through the content in July and August.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:15:48
Okay, great.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:15:51
Maybe you can narrow that down and you can decide, you know, what we do really need someone to look at the book start to finish.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:15:59
Yes, perfect. Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:16:00
Or we need someone to look at those. Focus questions. If I recall when we did our sessions on review and feedback, I think Rebus's advice is always to give the viewers a few guiding like primer questions or prompts just so that they can Focus on the areas where you

[Apurva Ashok] 15:16:22
both and you all might really need some input. Because you know your expertise but you also know where your biases are where your gaps lie so you might want reviewers to come in and really focus on maybe some of those new sections that you've added or some of the more regional content that's being introduced.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:16:41
So I think. As you're working on those drops as you're getting closer to the fifteenth you will already have a sense of I'm not feeling very confident about this piece.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:16:52
This is where I really want some input. Or you might have questions around how does this read overall, whether it's voice or tone.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:17:01
Etc. And I'm looking.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:17:02
That sounds great. That sounds great. I'm wondering if we could actually ask, I'll talk to, Max, but our former student Hector to be one of the reviewers.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:17:13
They love me.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:17:15
I mean.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:17:16
If the if they're if they're willing so you contact Hector find out and I will say please make sure you get those reviewer name and email.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:17:27
Address information to Madeline. All of that is being tracked in the not the contact information, but Just whether you've submitted that or not is being tracked in this spreadsheet.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:17:39
So it looks like Yvonne. And, at the end on Max, we're still waiting on those final details from you.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:17:46
So. Once you get that done, I'm sure. The Rotel team can do all of the the contacting and also get all of the documentation they need to get their stipends in paid.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:17:50
Okay.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:17:58
Great, thank you.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:18:01
Thank you.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:18:05
And making sure that everyone has about 30 min to talk about their project. So is there anything else, Iliana and Max on your end that you want to be bringing up.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:18:15
Nothing.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:18:17
And Madeleine, is there anything? Go ahead.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:18:20
No, I said that. I mean, yeah, nothing at this point. I spoke a lot. Too much.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:18:27
No, no, this is this is your time. So there's not a little or too much.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:18:31
Okay.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:18:33
But I do, I'm just gonna say, Eliana, I so appreciate you sharing some of your, some of your personal.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:18:40
Journey, with, not some you don't want to share your health issues too much, but you know going over to Romania.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:18:48
I mean, I'm just. So thrilled for you and it personalizes our

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:18:51
Oh, I appreciate that and I'm at a point where I'll get probably emotional because say it's just.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:18:57
It I'm just so thrilled for you.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:18:57
Yeah, it's. Thank you. Thank you.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:19:04
Me too and you know if you feel comfortable sharing some photos with us once you're I would. Please.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:19:08
I will, I sure will. I sure will. We'll see how much Hermanian, I mean I've been forced to not forced but I you know I don't live surrounded by Romanian speaking people.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:19:24
My parents. And my youngest sister, she's coming too. She left it at a young age.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:19:33
So she doesn't remember much for Romania. She understands it, but she can't. It was like it was interesting to see how she's.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:19:37
You know, starting to speak Romanian, but it's a complex language and there are a lot of like tenses and endings and so so she's she's getting engaged with like remembering her language.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:19:47
Okay.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:19:51
So yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:19:52
That's lovely. And I will actually note, you know, you're gone.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:19:56
July fifteenth to August first Max you're leaving on July 20 third so I don't think I'll see either of you at our group meeting, but if you, Max, if you wanna touch base before the 20 third before you leave, let me know.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:20:09
I'm always happy to set something up one-on-one or Liana if you want to touch base after August first.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:20:16
Once you're back before the final meeting in August, happy to meet with you. Again, my goal is always to make sure that You feel supported, you feel like you can reach out to someone and.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:20:19
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:20:23
I know that this is one of those. Tricky times you just wanna make sure you have all your ducks in it.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:20:32
Yes, I really appreciate that. And you know, yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. And thank you Marilyn for saying that.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:20:41
I mean, up to like maybe. End of last week, I wasn't even sure that I was gonna be able to.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:20:46
So. A lot of complexity motions happening at all at the same time.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:20:47
I'm glad you can go.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:20:55
Soak it all in and know that we're all just happy you can make it and Max you do I hope you both have safe travels

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:21:02
Thank you.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:21:02
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:21:03
Oh, right. Yvonne, over to you. How are you coming along? And I can pull up.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:21:09
The goals that you had. Here. So we're all reminded. You're working chronologically, so you were working on chapter 2 last time we met and you wanted to turn to chapter 3 and.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:21:22
You were targeting to have 7 chapters done by July fifteenth.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:21:28
Yeah, so I completed chapter 3 and I sent it all to you. And I'm 99% done with chapter 4.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:21:36
Chapter 4 is my biggest chapter. It was the most challenging chapter, cause it dealt with influential.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:21:46
Statistics. I will I realize that well first of all I definitely will meet the July fifteenth deadline.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:21:56
And, even if it's 5 chapters, but it may be 5 chapters, but I'm covering.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:22:03
All the topics. That an intro to statistics class would cover. Okay, so. So and plus I've discussed descriptive statistics and then inferential inferential is when you do a lot of hypothesis testing and you also do predictive modeling.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:22:26
So my last chapter chapter 5 is going to be on car. Correlations and regression analysis.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:22:34
I've this is I'm pretty much a disciplined person because I'm Director of Grant, so I write a lot of grants.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:22:45
I do a lot of writing. And I think it was. What has helped me is because of my writing that that's embedded in me.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:22:54
So II had this discipline that every day I had to write, I wrote on the, I wrote on the book.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:23:00
And that and that is what helped me that. And I started to feel very addicted to the book.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:23:07
Because it was just flowing. I don't know. Someone was channeling information to me and was just coming out like crazy.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:23:17
The challenge is I can go. I can go really deep. So, but the deeper that I go, it takes a lot.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:23:28
It's gonna take a lot. So. I'm going, don't forget I'm writing about I'm Introducing statistical concepts and procedures.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:23:37
But I'm bringing in a lot of data about equity. Different instances. And so IA lot of my time has had to find data that will prove the point.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:23:48
Let's say you want confidence intervals or probabilities and things like that. I'm very so my focus has been the content.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:23:58
I brought in several graphs, different images. So that the PS team I just wanted to make sure that I gave it my best shot in terms of what they got was a really good product.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:24:16
The first chapter they did see and they had very I don't think they had any changes except.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:24:22
Telling me how to not to capitalize the word chapter. So, and also in these, in these chapters, I'm inserting a lot of, a lot of problems.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:24:33
So. One may think, well, that's easy. No, it's not easy. Because I have to get the right.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:24:40
Problem and I have to make it equity based. Everything that everything that's in this book is all about social justice issues.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:24:50
So you have a blending of statistical concepts. With social justice issues, you know, whether it's health disparities, whether it's electrical cars where low income people can't afford for them, you know, whether it's incarceration rates, I bring it all in.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:25:08
So that has It's very interesting and it's very exciting. But it's is you know it just takes time.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:25:16
And I'm a very quiet, I'm about quality so. Anyway, I'm pleased that 90 that chapter 4 is 99.9% done.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:25:25
I meant the net last part where I'm talking about hypothesis testing. So, and then I go to chapter 5.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:25:35
So I am determined. That me, I'm definitely gonna meet to July fifteenth deadline. With 5 chapters.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:25:43
Now I figured after July fifteenth

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:25:48
You know, while the PST is looking at my stuff, What I'm gonna do is maybe sleuth for more problems.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:25:57
Okay, it's not gonna be another chapter, but it's gonna be bringing in more examples more more problems.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:26:05
Is that okay with Marilyn? Is that okay? Yeah, so it's not it's not a changing content.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:26:12
It's just embellishing. It's just. Yeah, so, it's been an amazing process.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:26:22
It really has because like Vanessa said with with my stuff, everything has to be creative. I mean, So you can't force creativity.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:26:32
Right, you can't force it. So.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:26:34
No, but you can't and you know one of the things that we're finding meaning the PST is finding with you Yvonne is that you've gotten yourself into a into a a role, into a what, routine into your own timelines and things and that seems to be.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:26:55
What you where you needed to get to in order to in order to facilitate that creative process happening.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:27:02
It's very, very exciting to see.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:27:02
Right. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's well, I've always been a discipline person, but I guess, you know, I get up at 5 a minute, So, but, II just feel very blessed.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:27:13
Yup, yup.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:27:20
The universe has given me a lot of information. So, you know and what I

[Marilyn Billings] 15:27:27
It's all you're coalescing it, beautifully.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:27:31
Yeah. And when I was surprised about was I actually enjoyed writing this book. I really did. I couldn't wait.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:27:43
There were days in which You know, I, you know, I work. So I got irritated because I do my work.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:27:50
And I couldn't work on my book. So, yeah, so that, was, it was, it's been very joyful.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:28:00
I think that's That really matters when you don't see it as a. Tedious task you gotta do it that you find joy because it's gonna be shown in the book.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:28:12
Yeah. So anyway, that's, That's where I'm at. I kind of feel bad, you know, I originally said 10, then I got down to 7, but then as I was building the chapters.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:28:26
I started to bring like this chapter 4 is covering a lot. It's gonna cover lots, whereas I may would have put in another chapter.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:28:36
So. And I can't wait to see what, my kids, what the students think of it.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:28:43
I start teaching a new class tomorrow in show to stats and I was wondering if you know I was thinking about well I'm gonna probably send them chapter one and give feedback see what they think.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:28:55
Is that okay? Yeah. Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:28:56
I think. I don't know if you need to coordinate with. Then on the hotel team, it as part of the student assessment or if this is just sort of informal feedback you're gathering from Be fine.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:29:07
Yeah, just a formal. Just yeah, just informal.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:29:13
I know Vanessa and Dimitri have been doing that. All through Although January I think January onwards.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:29:18
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:29:19
And firstly, congratulations. I don't know if you saw all of the reactions.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:29:21
Oh, thank you.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:29:25
Oh no, okay, thank you. Yeah. Good.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:29:25
There was a lot of clapping and celebrating and hearts coming out. I'm glad that you've been able to work through 3 and hearts coming out.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:29:35
I'm glad that you've been able to work through 3 and almost done with 4. Really you'll be walking away with an OER that

[Apurva Ashok] 15:29:42
As you said, covers all of the topics for that course that you have been. Planning to create. So you will be coming out with a full full and sort of ready to use product but maybe not divided into the structure that you would originally planned, which again goes to show that these projects can evolve, right?

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:30:01
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:30:01
You might start off with a 15 chapter book proposal and end up with 5 that is more than enough to engage your students.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:30:09
In the themes and the topics in ways that you want to do over the course of the 12 weeks.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:30:14
Of that semester.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:30:15
I tell you that seminar that I attended last month where I saw you all FSU. That, seminar really I mean I was serious about it but this just listening to the faculty and I said, oh, this is serious stuff.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:30:34
Yeah, this is really serious.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:30:36
II could just see your eyes lighting up, Yeah, the May 20 fourth thing. Yeah.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:30:39
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:30:40
So the book launch? Okay.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:30:42
Yeah, I mean. Yeah, where there's a faculty that said all these schools are reading her stuff.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:30:49
I thought, oh gee. I didn't know that was gonna happen, you know?

[Marilyn Billings] 15:30:53
Do you know this is happening around the country and around the world, right? And so you're part of a a really, vibrant movement.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:31:01
Oh, absolutely.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:31:01
All of you are. Oh, you are.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:31:01
Yeah. And what my You know, students of color don't do well in statistics. And this is that was the number one reason.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:31:14
I like to get more students of color and I figured well if If I meet them where they are where they can relate to being from poverty where they can relate to dealing with health disparities where they can relate to, you know, maybe their father was incarcerated, stuff like that.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:31:32
Maybe that would get them. Interested so but I've been learning. I learned a lot.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:31:39
I learned a lot about inequalities. So anyway, that's my update.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:31:46
Well, Congats and I. 2 things that are coming to my mind and I know Elena had something to say because she was lining up when you were talking about the excitement and joy that you had when you were working on the book.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:31:59
We will keep an eye out for things. As of. We, the PSU will keep an out for things on July fifteenth.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:32:08
And I also just appreciate you taking that moment to pause and Just kind of reconnect with the content and make sure that you are writing from a place of excitement and curiosity and joy because I do think that is going to be reflected in the book.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:32:27
A really pivotal part of this. Rotel, it's not just equity lens and the materials created, but as we keep saying time and time again at least with this cohort it's also in the process itself.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:32:41
So I'm happy to hear that every time I saw those emails come in, saying that you finish chapter 2 or chapter 3 and then you were excited by it that brought me a lot of joy as well and I think that's something to highlight when you go about talking about the book once it's done.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:32:59
Whether it's to colleagues in your department, whether it's the colleagues in the other 5 institutions who are part of this grant or in the marketing for this book in general.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:33:11
I think that's a really important piece to bring up and and highlight because you don't see that in traditional math textbooks when I studied statistics, I definitely didn't see that in the books that I was using and meeting.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:33:24
I also just wanted to note, for all of you and I'll make sure to share this link out in the summary is.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:33:30
Not just with round one, round 2, around 3, but there are folks all around the world who are recognizing.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:33:40
The hard work and the contributions that are being made in open education. So there's actually.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:33:47
An organization, a nonprofit called Awe Global that hands out awards every year. And I'm pretty sure that you can you'll find, I think the deadline for submissions this year is the end of the month, but I'm definitely gonna keep an eye on this page to submit your books and all

[Apurva Ashok] 15:34:06
of you as a nominees for perhaps next year's round of awards. You know, I think it's important for us to just take stock and pat ourselves on the bat for, everything that we're doing and the contributions that we're making not only for students of color, but for the education system

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:34:13
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:34:25
as a whole because that's really what you all are doing with what seems like one very focused project on developmental math or what seems like one very focused project on developmental math or statistics or anthropology is you're really sort of sitting like one very focused project on developmental math or statistics or anthropology is you're really sort of setting the wheels in

[Apurva Ashok] 15:34:41
motion

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:34:42
Thank you.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:34:44
And then, over to you. I saw you wanted to make sure you could jump in.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:34:46
Oh.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:34:48
Yeah, I can jump in. Thank you. So, I just wanted to like put this on people's radar.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:34:56
I was just thinking of, you know, like you're working, it was just kind of like inspiring Avon.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:35:01
So I just wanted to say there are 2 things so that occurred and I don't so part I have a half sabbatical and part of that's half sabbatical is concentrating around, well, you know, kind of pulling off the results, some of the results on, from, you

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:35:21
know, my ground as 10 ground that I have with students on culturally, well, that I have with students particularly around culturally responsive pedagogy to kind of like, really publish some articles and part of it is focused on organizing a STEM equity conference so, it was

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:35:44
intended initially the call for proposals was supposed to go out at the end of the semester but we're having some funding issues.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:35:54
So you heard me, so we're having some funding issues, but anyway, so, there will be, it's gonna come out in August or end of August.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:36:13
But anyway, so, there will be, it's gonna come out in August or end of August.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:36:32
It's gonna be, the save the date as will be April fifth and it will be really, basically, focused on our region.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:36:40
So Massachusetts, maybe, Vermont and Northern Connecticut. And really the focus will be to really create a space for people where they can, disseminate, discuss, best practices, the work that we've been doing really for the work that people are doing around DI and STEM.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:36:51
And also really think about also creating networks of people who might be willing to work on those initiatives together.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:36:52
So I'll make sure that I'll share it, was thinking that maybe you could put that save the date on April fifth.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:36:55
Okay.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:36:55
And we were really nice to, be able to highlight some of the work that we're doing.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:37:02
Okay, thank you. Yeah. That'd be great. Oh yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:37:04
Yeah. And to form connections, cause that's the other piece, right? It's just a really like networking is really important in.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:37:05
Thank you.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:37:10
Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:37:14
And this work.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:37:15
Speaking of connections, as you were talking, it struck me, Liana. I know a few individuals who work at the Vias Institute.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:37:25
It's for a racially just inclusive and open STEM education. So just dropped in a link to their website.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:37:27
Hmm. Awesome.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:37:31
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:37:31
If you wanna connect in, I can connect you with Terry who works there. They are wonderful. And I know they have a lot of different learning groups and more.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:37:41
They They also fund different types of projects as well. So.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:37:45
Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, please.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:37:48
At their website and. If you need an introduction. Let me know.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:37:56
Carrie is the I think one of the key founders, I know, as well who worked up.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:38:03
Only global before this. So there's a list of their team. And that goes to any of you, not just Eliana, but since you mentioned that.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:38:10
Yeah. Right.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:38:13
Oh, that sounds great. I'm gonna look at the names. I don't see the names, but this is great.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:38:21
At working groups, okay. All right. So there's a lot of good information.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:38:26
Take a look and this can also wait for you know September onwards. Thank you.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:38:29
Right, but I will, yeah, I'll, let you know. Oh, that's excellent.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:38:34
I will definitely pass on your resources. To them once they're out, they can also spread the word in their network.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:38:44
Okay, that sounds great.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:38:46
And I think you said 2 things. So the first one is about the sabbatical and the conference.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:38:54
Was there anything else?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:38:55
No, that was it. Oh, there were 2 things. Yeah, so there's another one that is.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:39:02
So, I'm part of this, any commit so new England communities for inquiry teaching mathematics consortium and they have a call of proposals for October 20 first is gonna be up there's gonna be a conference of Westfield state and their focus is on data equity so I can I can

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:39:29
send that information to, to you Yvonne if you want. Yeah.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:39:33
Yeah, can you please? Thank you. Yeah, that would be good.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:39:38
Actually, I'd be interested in that too.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:39:40
I'll send I'll send it along. So right now we just sent out one call of proposal.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:39:47
There's so this is really for us as has been the, I'll send it to you.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:39:51
It would be really an interesting conference to attend anyway. So there's there's a call of proposals until like August sometime that's open.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:39:58
We just sent it out like. Maybe last week, right, Mass or something?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:40:05
I don't know, something like that.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 15:40:06
Yes, yeah, something like last week.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:40:07
It's only, how about that?

[Apurva Ashok] 15:40:09
And, Rebecca, one, also, so just why don't you post it in the form Iiana or share it over email to the whole group?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:40:10
Basic.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:40:10
Hi.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:40:15
I'll share it to the whole group and email.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:40:18
That would be awesome. Thank you very much.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:40:18
Awesome. Hold right.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:40:22
So, as you were talking about that, that real thing. Sharon, Kanjalosi, who's Yeah, is a good friend of mine.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:40:24
Alright.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:40:29
And.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:40:33
Wonderful.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:40:34
She was hired at Keen State where I worked before Umass. While I was still there.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:40:40
I think I might even been on that search committee. And, so she's, she's been moving in these bigger circles with open education and she's She's really a dynamo.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:40:51
She's wonderful. I've had that with being on some working groups with her. Yeah, no shortage of good people to meet in the open at community.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:40:56
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:41:02
Before we move on to other things I wanted to come back to Yvonne, and make sure Melvin, are you all set as well with, Yvonne's next steps in plan of action.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:41:14
I know you're also waiting on some reviewer names from her seat on whenever you can send that over to Madeleine that would be great.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:41:21
Yeah.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:41:21
Yeah, I do. Yes, I have, you know, I talk to people and You know, they keep, well, how much, how much do I have to read, you know?

[Marilyn Billings] 15:41:30
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:41:31
It's always hard.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:41:31
Yeah, it's not like, you know, it's like I have to pay them for the statistics, you know.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:41:38
Yeah.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:41:38
It's like, oh, but these are people who know a little bit about statistics. They're just tease.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:41:42
Yeah.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:41:43
And then I wanna get a student. Is that okay? I like to get a students.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:41:47
No, the how interesting.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:41:48
Yeah, I like students. Students are very important. They pick up one things that, it's amazing.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:41:55
Yeah, I love that. I don't know about the stipend process for that, Madeline.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:41:56
Yeah.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:41:59
I, right, I don't know about, let me check on that. Let me check on that before you out you.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:42:00
Oh. Okay. Okay, okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:42:03
Can you trip that? Yeah.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:42:08
Okay. And.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:42:10
Thank you. And maybe Yvonne, I wonder if it would also vary based on So I've.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:42:18
Worked with OER creators who have had PhD students. Read textbooks so they're coming with a little bit of that.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:42:28
Student perspective, but also somewhat new teaching experience perspective, cause maybe if they've taught a course or 2 or they've taped several courses.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:42:36
So, in The past I've seen grants approved maybe PhD candidates who are ABD for instance.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:42:46
I've also seen projects where they've had undergraduate students if it's an undergraduate, what they've had actual students who might be.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:42:56
Enrolling in the course or Thank you. And I love all of that, you know, when we talked about review and feedback we talked about.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:43:05
Traditional peer review with the subject matter experts we talked about classroom review which is working with students and getting both student and instructor feedback.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:43:14
And we also talked about that accessibility review, which I think the PSD is going to complete to make sure that The books are accessible from that web accessibility standpoint from the content accessibility standpoint.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:43:25
So it's not just one sort of stoic form of peer review that happens on the books, but you're having all of these.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:43:32
3 levels of of feedback and itration and that loop coming in.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:43:41
You know, as you were talking about that typology, so, it's okay, Marilyn.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:43:46
I'll just. I'll just get the, the content experts and then in terms of the students.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:43:53
I can get them my students when I teach them this summer. I'm teaching I have a class so I can get their input this summer.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:44:00
I think, yeah, either way.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:44:00
It's okay. I just. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:44:03
Yeah, maybe maybe an extra credit something or other that you can do in class. Yeah. And the other thing too that.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:44:07
You can.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:44:11
We might be able to do is add. If they're amenable to it. The students that is, add them as student reviewers to the front matter.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:44:21
Oh.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:44:21
I think, yeah. Yes.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:44:22
Hmm.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:44:22
I think that's why we're putting the period neighbors information in there. So, you know that could be a little carrot for them to get you know published in a Yeah, a loose sense of the word.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:44:32
Sure. Yeah. So, well, I will see Marilyn still maybe worth checking to see what the, what the stipulations are and whether that's allowed or not as Rebecca notes classroom review is a good use time so from round one Patricia Limb got a lot of feedback from students.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:44:34
Yep.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:44:46
Yes.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:44:53
That she wouldn't have got from other groups. I have seen many OER where student.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:45:03
Review has been highlighted in the front matter. You know, you, if you're picking up a physical book or you're looking at the cover, you see those blurbs and testimonials from reviewers.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:45:13
I've seen some books where they're highlighting the student reviews and the student sort of testimonials.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:45:19
Again, as an indicator of this is not here to average. Math textbook this has been really crafted and created with a different intention and a different purpose and in different ways from maybe traditional commercial textbooks.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:45:35
And I can show you. This is one of the recent publications from, from my colleague, Caitlin Shilling and I'll show you where that metadata information can live.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:45:47
So if you scroll right to the bottom of the page. You'll see a lot of room here for authors, editors, but there's also section for reviewers.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:45:58
So if you have the viewers, their names will be listed in here. It will also be listed in the actual PDF as well if students are maybe downloading some of that information.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:46:09
So there's a lot of room in here for you to add. Details about illustrators, contributors, and so on.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:46:15
So this is when you can expect to see it.

[Barbara A. (she/hers)] 15:46:17
But I have updated the. The rubric for Rotel, the reviewer Rubik to include a line.

[Barbara A. (she/hers)] 15:46:25
Do you want to be acknowledged and how do you want your name? Presented. So that we are capturing that information.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:46:33
Yeah.

[Barbara A. (she/hers)] 15:46:34
Doesn't have to go through a third party kind of thing and we can plug it in.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:46:37
Hey, thank you. I do have a question and the only one that's here is Elena.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:46:40
And.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:46:46
Vanessa and Demetrius not here, but, The psychology of being an author of a new book.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:46:55
Is. I don't know what's the word. It's exciting.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:47:00
It's also worrisome. You know, because it's like You know, you're gonna be quite visible.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:47:09
And, I hadn't really thought about that when I submitted the application. But I just, you know,

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:47:20
I don't know, it just, and I don't know what, is it that you know, I wanna make sure that cover everything, you know, you can't really cover everything.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:47:30
Because you know, you can get really deep in statistics and blah blah blah. So those are things I think about like

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:47:41
Wasn't a by what is the goal of this book? And what was an acceptable level?

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:47:48
And, what can I put off into another book? You know, things like that. So I just wanna share that that's something that I think about a lot.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:47:56
I mean that's a good, you know, and it's like for one is like making yourself vulnerable.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:48:06
So you're putting the things out for everybody to see. And some people like it and some people will not and they'll have, you know, feedback and you know, and I suppose one could.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:48:19
I mean, I haven't really, that's a very good question, right? So we, when we look at, you say, well, I really don't like how they did address this topic or and we you know do we want to invite things like that do we want to like you know even to like kind of like that.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:48:21
Okay.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:48:35
Do we want to like, you know, even to like kind of like think about those things or do we want to just like.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:48:37
Thank you.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:48:37
Maybe, maybe a having something where, some you know comments or you know opportunities for comments by be useful I don't know that's a good and you can, but it is, you know, it's, you know, and they don't have to take all the comments and also, yeah.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:48:57
Awesome.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:48:59
it's like the different perceptions of what like, you know, like what does it mean to you really teach?

[Marilyn Billings] 15:49:07
Okay.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:49:07
I mean, I guess whatever mathematics or statistics is it like covering everything or it's like like what are what are the goals that we are having for the students and maybe addressing that in the breakfast maybe going back.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:49:20
Let's see.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:49:21
Maybe that's also a question for ask myself like what are the goals that we are choosing for our students and you know the goals may not be to cover color and and the word cover I mean actually coming back to the word cover.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:49:40
I mean, actually coming back to the word cover cover it's really bad. I mean actually coming back to the word cover cover it's actually coming back to the word cover cover it's really bad it's about we're covering. It's really bad. It's about we're covering things.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:49:44
We're covering things. We're covering things. We're covering the things that we want.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:49:46
So it's like really just like covering the things that we want. So it's like really just like the purpose is really not to like.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:49:49
Cover by really to you know produce critical like critical thinkers who are you know also like Ages for change or maybe like raise the critical consciousness and putting that in the preface and just.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:49:56
Thanks.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:50:02
Yeah, I think some of that is really, really awesome. And I've also seen examples of you know, where faculty have put in their own email address on in that part of the text and saying, you know, please get back to me with your feedback and comments and we can start a dialog or, you know.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:50:22
things, things along that line to keep things open. Another thing that I, it's coming to my mind just as you're both speaking is, you know, Patricia Lennon was in the first.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:50:33
Cold Mort who was already mentioned and Yvonne you saw her in action on May 20 fourth.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:50:41
As we finish up this full, particular grant, I think it's gonna be really important for all of the faculty to really get to know each other a little bit so that we've got a co-port of.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:50:57
Of strength to draw upon so that when people have questions like this or just comments that they might be receiving and you know how best to work with them or whatnot that everyone in the cohort help however many the total number of faculty are, which is a good number.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:51:18
Across the spectrum of all the institutions it'll be good to have the family

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:51:25
So this, this, this is, comes back to like this email, the TSP one, whatever.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:51:34
So July one.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:51:34
Is it like a list serve? Is it like? Whatever. Yeah, so that.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:51:38
It's all of you plus all of the initial support staff members who were assigned to work with all of you.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:51:47
Ii have the full list up here.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:51:49
How would that be? I mean, would that be like our you know, place where people might ask questions and is that are we added to that?

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:51:50
Got it.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:51:57
The forum.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:52:00
Is that like a Me.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:52:01
So for I think one thing is out there, maybe it's. The forum, the rebus forum that you could point them to maybe it's a Google form or you're collecting feedback.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:52:02
So.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:52:08
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:52:14
I've seen people use that, annotation tool hypothesis.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:52:18
Yes, yes.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:52:18
No, no, but you come back to what Marilyn was saying. It's not just, you know, we are not just, we are connected through this experience and the, you know, the practices.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:52:21
Yep.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:52:28
Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:52:31
So if somebody asks like maybe, you know, the practices. So if somebody asks, like maybe, you know, somebody ask you, so if somebody asks, like maybe, you know, somebody ask you both, maybe, you know, somebody ask you both about something and you know causes her to reflect and like but maybe she you know causes her to reflect and like but maybe

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:52:40
she you know causes her to reflect and like but maybe she you know causes her to reflect and like but maybe she's like hey this is like one that she may wanna share some thoughts or she may wanna share some thoughts or she may wanna share some thoughts or she may wanna share some thoughts or she may wanna ask the group.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:52:48
It's like, Hey, you know, this is like one that she may wanna share some thoughts or she may wanna ask the group, it's like, hey, you know, this is a question that like how might I address this?

[Marilyn Billings] 15:52:52
Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:52:52
So I think developing this kind of like active like learning community that's Okay.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:52:55
Yes, yes, that's one of my things.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:52:57
Right. Can I can I just add to what I love what you said Marilyn and I really hope that you and Millie.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:53:06
And Barbara follow up on that. I get Okay, I got so much from that seminar and I would love for us to meet.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:53:09
Oh, I'm really, I'm doggedly determined.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:53:16
Yes, we can keep going.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:53:19
Me again soon. And I don't, you know, because, just being around other faculty and laughing, listening to your struggles and.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:53:26
Yes, yes. Thank you. Yeah.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:53:29
That is so encouraging. So. If we could do that soon.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:53:34
Yes, the plan is for us to do something. For the round 2 faculty. And The problem always is, you know, making sure that as many faculty as possible are around and available.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:53:41
Oh.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:53:50
And So that the timing is always, an interesting thing. So, we'll see how that goes.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:54:02
End of August or early September because Well, we're, no, no, we're finishing a milestone.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:54:03
No. I think you're all busy right then, but we were thinking a little bit.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:54:11
We're just. We just slam dunk July fifteenth, okay? So I believe in celebrations.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:54:12
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:54:14
Like I said.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:54:14
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:54:18
We will celebrate in honest for sure and I know. The hotel team is trying hard to get another in person gathering with around 2 and around one.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:54:19
I really do.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:54:19
Oh yes, oh absolutely.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:54:28
Yes, yes.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:54:32
I don't know what their dates are but as you know the in person events are a little harder to organize than just sending out a Zoom link and inviting.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:54:38
Yes, right, right. The in person is really important and I like I like what you said Yvonne I might tap you for some comments and as we do the PR for the next.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:54:49
The next one.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:54:49
Okay, okay. Yeah, because I even I even thought that even us having a NPR news.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:54:50
I want to

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:54:57
I love NPR. Some of us ought to be interviewed by NPR because On the OER perspective and what we're the intent of what we're doing.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:55:00
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:55:01
You should.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:55:04
Yes. Yes.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:55:05
So.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:55:09
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:55:09
I don't have connections with NPO, but we through and I believe the Rotel folks around this group do have access to a large communications firm that works for the US and you best.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:55:16
Yes.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:55:20
We do.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:55:24
This is GMMB. So whenever stories come out about your projects, we are passing it on to them and they have more of our stories come out about your projects we are passing it on to them and they have more of a foot into the traditional sort of media outlets in the US.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:55:34
Getting you all profiled and getting your news out there is definitely on our data and every chance we get we seize that opportunity.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:55:43
I did wanna mention, in the chat in case that idea got lost. Rebecca talked about perhaps an writer and trust group. I thought maybe.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:55:54
To the idea that, you had and Mellon as well was Just it's, Massachusetts, we are group sort of statewide.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:56:02
Yeah, cause we do have we do have a state wide. Are we our advisory council that's more than just these 6 institutions.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:56:04
But.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:56:13
It's all 29 public high-end institutions. It's all 29 public high-end institutions.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:56:16
It's all 29 public higher ed institutions that that I've been a member of from before it was founded.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:56:20
Yeah, that might be a better space to connect folks because that would encapsulate not only around 2 Iliana but also rounds to connect folks because that would encapsulate not only around 2 Elana but also rounds 1 3 and maybe all of the others.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:56:21
Cause I was one of the county people. So.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:56:32
No.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:56:32
Yeah. So that's a that's a great. So if there's a way to kind of create some sort of a a group kind of thing.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:56:39
Yep

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:56:42
I'm gonna send you the information. I do have another meeting at 4, but I'm gonna send the information, that I was telling you about about those 2 conference.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:56:46
Yes.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:56:50
Great. Thank you. Yeah.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:56:51
Yeah. Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:56:51
And as we're closing out, I just wanted to know Eliana. Do yourself a favor if you don't have it and I can send this to all of you but save the transcript because what you were talking about in terms of pieces to put in that preface for you and Max around the goals and what you're trying

[Marilyn Billings] 15:57:07
Okay.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:57:08
to get students to do. You said some very excellent things. I have, I can share it with you in the sense afterwards.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:57:10
Yes.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:57:13
That would be great.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:57:15
But I would say come back to this because there's so many moments of creativity that happen on these calls and you're doing a lot of the writing here as you're driving your intentions.

[Marilyn Billings] 15:57:23
Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:57:26
And, Yvonne, the questions that you asked, you know, around the psychology of a new author.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:57:35
I will just share that these are extremely common questions. To have these just things that I. Found myself asking when I was writing the Almost 5 years ago now or with every project that comes up as Aliana said, there is so much vulnerability and courage that comes.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:57:55
When you are working on projects like these. So questions around, you know, what, should I include or should I not include, you know, what is What is, you know, an acceptable standard, what is not.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:58:09
I think these are going to come and go. But Be assured that the hotel team, the PSD has made sure that all of the projects coming out of this grant are not only going to meet, you know, that minimum technical standard for accessibility.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:58:25
But they're also going to meet, common production standards that you're seeing with high quality educational materials that are coming out there.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:58:34
And I also just wanted to say that You know, talking to Patricia, talking to some of the others could be a great way or come back to me, we can chat more about, some of these questions that you're, working through, and just.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:58:50
Make sure you feel confident and excited about where your landing. I think it also takes a tremendous amount of courage to do it.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:58:57
In the education and academic space in particular. Because the work you're doing. It is, in some ways very, very true to the I think the core and central mission of education and of what we're trying to do as a public service and as a public good.

[Yvonne Anthony] 15:59:01
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:59:18
So you're starting to.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:59:18
And Non-traditional so we're up to so it's not you know it's not the traditional we're trying to change the way that you know stub has to be taught at least like you know like for many for centuries.

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:59:36
So there's gonna be a lot of resistance. So I would I would imagine they're gonna be people who are like, what?

[Ileana Vasu (she/her)] 15:59:41
So.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:59:41
And I think to also just get the, affirmation that There is also gonna be a lot of phrase.

[Apurva Ashok] 15:59:49
That are going to be a lot of people who are going to be thinking, oh, it's about time something like this came out that are a lot of people who are going to be just as excited as you are just as Joyce as you are as you're writing this book.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:00:01
And that fear of visibility that you were talking about, Yvonne. Totally okay to have.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:00:07
Remember the beauty with the we are is the Flexibility to. Towards response towards feedback. There is always the potential to keep improving a draft because you know if we think about education and knowledge learning is a continuous part of this process.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:00:28
So you might come up with a drop that you think is a hundred percent and that's it. And then you go back in and you learn something new that takes you back and says, okay, I need to shift this.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:00:42
And we're actually back at 98 and I have 2 more percent to work towards.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:00:46
So that is I think always going to be. Iterations and versions and that's just part and parcel of.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:00:54
In some ways.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:00:59
Exchanging, exchanging information, exchanging knowledge, being with other people, right? This isn't something that happens in a vacuum.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:01:08
So I think very valid and I know personal sort of what is to share with the group, but I hope that is comfort in knowing that you're not alone and take you through these thoughts and that you can reach out anytime and that We are here to not only lift you up all of you up when you share these

[Apurva Ashok] 16:01:27
materials, but also to shield you from anyone who might. Point of finger and say, is this what you've been spending the year doing?

[Yvonne Anthony] 16:01:34
Yeah, okay. Thank you.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:01:40
But for now, I think all of you are in excellent shape. To keep working on those drafts and I hope you continue to find moments of joy and and have fun throughout this experience.

[Yvonne Anthony] 16:01:43
Good.

[Yvonne Anthony] 16:01:54
Okay, good.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:01:55
I will see most of you on July 20 fourth and Max you can connect with me and maybe Leanna as well in case you want to meet me before the 20 fourth or after August first.

[Yvonne Anthony] 16:01:58
Oh.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 16:02:05
Sure. Yep, sure. Thank you very much for all the support you were doing guys.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:02:09
Oh.

[Yvonne Anthony] 16:02:11
Yeah, thank you all. Thank you. So much. Right, alright. Okay, bye bye. Thank you.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 16:02:13
Thank you. Take care.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:02:13
Thank you all. Take care.

[Yvonne Anthony] 16:02:18
Oh, do I, oh do we go? Oh, okay. All right. Thank you.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:02:19
Yes, you can head off. Hi.

[Mahmud Ahmadov] 16:02:20
Bye.

[Yvonne Anthony] 16:02:22
Thank you so much. All right. All right. Bye bye.

[Marilyn Billings] 16:02:29
Thanks. Is Rebecca still there?

[Apurva Ashok] 16:02:34
I think so, but. Thanks, Rebecca. Madeleine and I might side, but on a few things just to make sure that links, etc, and all up to date, but you don't need to stick it on for that.

[Apurva Ashok] 16:02:47
See you. Thank you again.